REZA ARAMESH

A conversation with artist Reza Aramesh on his work, and the installation Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies, recently shown at the New York Asia Society Triennial exhibition, We Do Not Dream Alone. 

 
 

Reza Aramesh was born in Iran and is based in London, UK. His work seeks through various media to disrupt the Western and Eurocentric art history narrative through re-framing classical contexts with figures that range from non-white, working-class subjects to the victims and oppressors of political wars and violence. With his show at the Asia Society Museum, Aramesh has chosen to refine these themes through the medium of Ancient Greek classical vases, replacing historical iconography with modern-day figures that are abstracted and taken from contemporary news reportage.

His work has been shown at the Met Breuer, Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, BIENALSUR 2019, Museo Nacional de Arte Decorativo (MNAD) Buenos Aires, Argentina, Akademie der Kunste, Berlin, Germany, and Leila Heller Gallery in New York, amongst others.

 

Interview by Sascha Behrendt

You went to art school at Goldsmiths, University of London, where you received your MFA. Can you tell us a bit of that and any early experiences that influenced your work?

As far as I can remember, I was always engaged in different art forms but was not supported very much. In my spare time after school, I would draw, make dolls from paper and leftover fabrics that I could find around the house, or get other children involved in creating plays influenced by soap operas on television. When I turned fifteen, I attended the local youth poetry and theater groups. However, when my father found out where I was spending my time after school, he banned me.

I originally went to study chemistry, but halfway through my Ph.D. in crystallography, I decided to devote my life to art. During my science education, I had spent all my spare time painting, going to plays, museums, and watching art-house movies. In 1995 I joined Goldsmiths to study fine art, where I found the structure of the course very advanced because there was a more conceptual approach. I was freed from trying to communicate ideas in the form of painting and realized it wasn’t color, shape, and light I was interested in but finding platforms to communicate social and historical issues close to my heart. Coming from a politically challenging country and then studying on a course equally politically and intellectually charged equipped me to look and find tools to express the scattered ideas I felt passionate about.

Action 107 (Blindfolded Iraqi prisoners, Kuwaiti, 2 August 1990), 2011, Polychrome lime wood, glass and wood veneers, 25.98 inches

Action 107 (Blindfolded Iraqi prisoners, Kuwaiti, 2 August 1990), 2011, Polychrome lime wood, glass and wood veneers, 25.98 inches

12 noon Monday 5 August 1963, 2018. Lime-wood, oil paint, glass eyes and silk fabric

12 noon Monday 5 August 1963, 2018. Lime-wood, oil paint, glass eyes and silk fabric

You recently had an exhibition at the Asia Society Museum as part of their inaugural Asia Society Triennial. Can you tell us about your installation and how it related conceptually to your previous work?

For the Triennial commission, We Do Not Dream Alone, curated by Boon Hui Tan and Michelle Yun, 2021, I chose to make a series of hand-thrown vases from Terra-cotta and white clay which I had been thinking and researching for a few years. Titled Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies, I used Ancient Greek Classicism as the art historical model for the work. Ancient Greeks relied heavily on symbolism in their mythology and art, and vase painting was one of their most significant artistic traditions. They adorned vases and other storage vessels with images of gods, goddesses, warriors, and battle stories, with a flat, stylistic aesthetic that is distinctly recognizable. There is little color; a black glaze either created the form or counter-form against the natural reds and browns of the clay. 

In my installation, the viewer could experience cross-references between classical art and the violence of the contemporary moment to dislocate political history from the master narrative we are told, to place it instead within a larger framework of knowledge. The themes that I often return to in my art are displacement, war, violence, and trauma. This has been human history for as long as we have been telling stories, whether in mythologies such as Homer or images on classical vases, paintings, and sculptures. 

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

The vases in your installation are aesthetic, beautiful objects, which makes the underlying subject matter even more disturbing. How are the arrangements of the painted figures and the vases significant?

I use archival news reportage to create an intervention on the images, to create a context between contemporary acts of violence and the history of representation of the body in Western Art. By taking a digital photograph and removing a figure from its source site, I appropriate its form and eliminate the scene around it. Painted as a picture on the vase, the figure turns into an abstracted fragment, creating a space for the viewer to play an active role, engaging with the historical link and the critical conversation between the contemporary moment and the ancient iconography. I want the figures to act as a symbol, an archetype rather than as an identifiable character. And by using beauty as the delivery agent, I aim to make this complex relationship more accessible to the viewer.

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies (installation view), 2021, Terra-cotta and white clay, Dimensions variable. Asia Society Triennial: We Do Not Dream Alone at Asia Society Museum, New York, October 27, 2020—June 27, 2021. Photograph by Bruce M. White, 2021. Courtesy of the artist and Asia Society

How do you get ideas for your various projects?

An idea finds its own place when it finds the right moment. For instance, I was very drawn to Spanish polychrome sculptures every time I came across one in a museum or a church. When I saw the exhibition at The National Gallery in London titled The Sacred Made Real (2010) curated by Xavier Bray, I instantly felt the connection between what was happening politically in Iraq during the American war, and the sculptures in the exhibition expressing the religious iconography of martyrdom in 17th Century Spanish art. I went back to that exhibition many times and was so excited I decided to make a body of work in conversation with this aspect of European art history. In another project, I collaborated with non-professional models to re-stage reportage images of war and displacement in stately homes and palaces. In these, I lifted images of subjected bodies directly from news reportage. I wanted to work with male figures rather than female, because of the historical problem of depicting female imagery through a predominantly male gaze. 

Action 120. June 28, 1987, the city of Sardasht, Iran 4:30 pm, 2011, Black and white hand-printed silver gelatin print mounted on aluminum, 70 x 106 inches

Action 120. June 28, 1987, the city of Sardasht, Iran 4:30 pm, 2011, Black and white hand-printed silver gelatin print mounted on aluminum, 70 x 106 inches

Your work questions the way history and art are presented. What do you think is the role of a museum today?

Our public understanding of art history and knowledge has been communicated mainly through museum collections with their authoritative representations and displays. Most of these collections are held in Europe and North America, where the narratives on them and how they are curated, are very subjective and hierarchical. In the same way, there is an absence in vase paintings in the portrayal of any non-Greek citizens who lived in Ancient Greece, except occasionally a few paintings of slaves. Similarly at present, there is a noticeable lack of non-white artistic expression in European and North American institutions. However, there are exhibitions held at various museums focusing geographically on artists from non-white countries, but they can often sadly end up feeling anthropological as if shown for instance at a Museum of Mankind. In the twenty-first century, museums are still devoid of full artistic expression from artists with diverse cultural backgrounds and stories.

What would you like the viewers of your work will take away with them?

Hopefully more questions than answers. 


Reza Aramesh
Study of the Vase as Fragmented Bodies
Asia Society Triennial
New York
March 26—June 27, 2021